Yeshua is the 'Living Torah' and He as well as Torah existed before time began.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
How could anyone be held accountable for sin / disobedience if they did not know what Yahweh expected of them? You cannot be held accountable for violating laws / rules that do not exist! How could iniquity / sin be found in satan if the law had not existed since sin (iniquity) is defined as violation of the law?
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. G458
Strong's number G458 is iniquity (transliterated as anomia) :Iniquity (sin) was found in satan - how could that be unless the law was already established?
1) the condition of without law
a) because ignorant of it
b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Ezekiel 28:
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity H5766 was found in thee.
Strongs H5766 translated as `evel meaning:So the definition of sin is evil / violation of the law. The law had to have been established before satan fell otherwise how could he have been held accountable for iniquity if it was not yet defined ?
injustice, unrighteousness, wrong
violent deeds of injustice
injustice (of speech)
injustice (generally)
It appears satan was in the Garden of Eden BEFORE he fell. Could it be that after his rebellion, he immediately tempted Eve thinking if he were able to get the humans to rebel he would be let off the hook? Something we likely will not find out this side of eternity.
There are verses showing the Torah / law was given to people to follow before it was re-given to Moses to write down on Mt Sinai:
Yahweh killed an animal to cover Adam and Eve after they sinned
Genesis 3
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
He could have clothed them with cloth instead of killing an animal. This shows blood must be shed for the remission of sin and is a prophecy of the Messiah.
Cain and Abel knew to offer sacrifices and what to offer:
Genesis 4
2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
The people knew what Yahweh's commands were otherwise how could they be held accountable for violation of the law (most "Christians" claim did not exist until Moses) / living wickedly and doing evil that brought about the flood of Noah?
Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
How could Noah tell them to repent if they did not have any idea of Yahweh's instructions? You cannot obey or be held accountable for laws that do not exist!
Noah knew which animals were clean and unclean to bring on the ark
Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Interesting to note: The dietary laws of the muslims are mostly the same as was given to Moses ( a few differences between shiitie and suunis) yet the arab people separated from the Jewish people (Ishmael / Isaac) long before Moses. This strongly indicates that the dietary laws were known by Abraham and he (or Shem) taught them to both Ishmael and Isaac long before the exile in Egypt (IE: before Moses). Noah was still alive at the tie of Abraham and Shem, Noah's son, was alive at the same time as Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac (in fact, Shem outlived Abraham) and they could have taught the Torah, including the dietary laws, - and which animals were unclean and clean they took onto the ark - to Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac.Sodom and Gomorah were in iniquity - how were they held accountable for their sin if Yahweh's instructions for living were not known?
Genesis 19:15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.
You cannot be held accountable for violating rules that do not exist!
Job offered sacrifices for his sons and daughters. It is widely believed Job lived after the flood around the time of Abraham. He certainly lived before Moses. From a previous post, he appears to be from the line of Shem through Uz.
Genesis 10
22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
Jacob offered sacrifice to Yahweh:
Genesis 31:54 Then Jacob offered sacrifice upon the mount, and called his brethren to eat bread: and they did eat bread, and tarried all night in the mount.
The Sabbath was re-given to Ancient Israel before Moses was given the law on Mt. Sinai. Before Ancient Israel left Egypt, they had asked pharoah for permission to go out into the desert to pray and sacrifice to Yahweh
Exodus 5
2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.
3 And they said, The God of the Hebrews hath met with us: let us go, we pray thee, three days' journey into the desert, and sacrifice unto the LORD our God; lest he fall upon us with pestilence, or with the sword.
Sabbath re-given Exodus 16:22-30 --- BEFORE Moses was told to write it down in Exodus 19-20.
Exodus 16
22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
The Ten Commandments says to REMEMBER so obviously the commandment was given to them before Sinai.
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Yeshua (Jesus) obeyed and taught Torah:
Yeshua said He will reject Christians that "do things for Him" if they do not obey Yahweh IE: are lawless / Torahless. (Matthew 7:21-23)
Matthew 7Yeshua only spoke what the Father had taught and did not teach against ANYTHING in Torah:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
To follow Yeshua is to obey what He says IE: follow Torah
Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
Native olive branches and grafted in branches (Romans 11:13-29)
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
The apostles taught obedience to Yahweh
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Obedience is NOT optional!
(Torah "law") Deuteronomy 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
John14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Torah after Yeshua's resurrection
If Paul would have been teaching against Torah (including the Sabbath and the dietary laws), the Bereans, as well as all the other Jews in the Synagogues he visited, would have rejected him as being a false teacher. It is very clear that he used scripture - the OLD TESTAMENT - to teach from since the new testament (which he wrote most of) had not been written yet. These verses show Paul NEVER spoke against ANY of Yahweh's laws and if his writings contradicted what he taught them, he is a false teacher.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 17
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
Act 18:4 And he (Paul) reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
I do not believe Paul was a false apostle as do so many who do not understand what he taught. They choose to believe Yahweh and throw out anything Paul said because they misunderstand what Paul said consequently they throw out most of the New Testament out of ignorance.
Other people like to twist Paul to say things he NEVER said in order to justify their rebellion. Peter even said as much. Peter also said they fall from their stedfastedness if they twist what Paul said to suit their rebellious ways:
2 Peter 3
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
The rebellious love to use Peter's vision in Acts 10 to justify their wickedness claiming that the dietary laws are now void:
Acts 10
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Peter stated in response to the vision in Acts 10 that he had NEVER eaten ANYTHING unclean - and this vision was some years after Yeshua's death and resurrection. Even during the vision, Peter did not accept it as meaning he could now eat swine's flesh and other unclean things.
Peter KNEW the vision was from Yahweh and he KNEW it would NEVER contradict scripture so he did not accept it at face value. Instead, Peter pondered what the vision meant and it was not until verse 28 he realized it was about the gentiles:
Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Compare with what Yahweh said in verse 15 (Acts 10): And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
The vision was clearly about the gentiles and not about eating swine's flesh!
While claiming Jesus changed the dietary law in Mark 7:19, the rebellious are blinded to the fact that Peter obviously was never taught by Yeshua that it was now okay to eat what Yahweh said to not eat. otherwise he, Peter, would have not questioned the vision in Acts 10 that he was given years later.
Mark 7:19 It doesn't go into your heart, but into your stomach, and then out of your body." By saying this, Jesus meant that all foods were fit to eat.
If Yeshua had changed the law and cleansed what Yahweh calls an abomination, He would not have been the sin free Lamb of God. When He 'Made all foods clean' it meant food as defined by Yahweh in the Old Testament - which did NOT include pig, shellfish, etc. It was a statement that all meat (given by Yahweh as food) were ritually clean.
Yeshua could not have changed any law and remain sin free - you cannot change the rules and then claim you are following those rules. If Yeshua had taught against the Torah, the Pharisees would have held that against Him after He was betrayed by judas. If Yeshua had taught against the dietary laws He never would have been accepted as Messiah by those who followed Him and His followers would have NEVER been allowed in the synagogues. If Yeshua had taught against Torah, He would have transgressed the law and would not have resurrected. It would have disqualified Him as being Messiah.
This prophecy in Isaiah is about the end of days (long after Yeshua's resurrection) Many apostates think they are holier than those who obey God because of their "freedom from the law" yet Yahweh says they are rebellious and walk after their own thoughts angering Him continually. Verse 4 is specifically about Bethel-redding and their "gravesucking" in order to become demon possessed as well as about those who eat what Yahweh specifically stated to not eat :
Isaiah 65
1 "I made myself accessible to those who didn't ask for me, I let myself be found by those who didn't seek me. I said, 'Here I am! Here I am!' to a nation not called by my name.
2 I spread out my hands all day long to a rebellious people who live in a way that is not good, who follow their own inclinations;
3 a people who provoke me to my face all the time, sacrificing in gardens and burning incense on bricks.
4 They sit among the graves and spend the night in caverns; they eat pig meat and their pots hold soup made from disgusting things.
5 They say, 'Keep your distance, don't come near me, because I am holier than you.' These are smoke in my nose, a fire that burns all day!
During the tribulation, the saints are the ones who have faith in Yeshua AND obey the commandments of Yahweh:
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Why would it be any different now? We are obviously expected to obey Yahweh AND have faith in Yeshua as our Messiah, our Lord and Savior. (Lord means obeying and living in obedience) How do you FOLLOW Yeshua if you are being disobedient to what Yahweh says? Some claim that "the law is for the Jews" and gentiles do not have to obey, Yahweh says otherwise:
Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
It is clear from scripture that Yahweh's Torah / law (Yeshua is the Living Torah), existed since before time and will exist for eternity and that we are to obey His instructions.
John14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
You must choose this day who you will serve: Yahweh (the one True God as revealed in the bible) by following Yeshua (Jesus) on the narrow path as your Messiah (Lord* and Savior) or, by default, you choose to follow satan slong the broad road to hell. Many choose the broad road because that is where their "friends" and family are. You must be wiling to give up everyone and everything to follow Messiah Yeshua or you are not worthy to be His.
* Lord means you are obedient and do what He says
Matthew 10
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
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